QUESTION AND
ANSWER With Barnett R. Rubin
10/28/00
Central Eurasia Project: How fragile is stability
in the Ferghana Valley?
Mr. Rubin: "Stability" is already a thing of the past
in the Ferghana Valley, not only because of what has happened
in all three countries -- Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgyzstan
-- but because of the expectations of the people who live
there and those in the rest of the region. In Uzbekistan,
which controls most of the valley, the government has blamed
Islamic extremists (so-called "Wahhabis") from the Ferghana
Valley for a series of assassinations and arrested thousands
of people. The repression intensified after last February,
when there was an attempt to assassinate President Karimov
and the explosion of other car bombs in Tashkent. So there
appears to be the beginnings of a self-reinforcing cycle of
terrorism and repression there. In Tajikistan the regional
resentment of this formerly dominant area still simmers, and
Uzbekistan is still supporting some of the dissidents, at
least politically. In Kyrgyzstan there are so far no internally
generated violent events since independence, but ethnic relations
between Kyrgyz and Uzbeks remain tense, the economy is collapsing
on the one hand and dependent on the drug trade on the other,
and, of course, the Batken crisis serious aggravates the situation.
CEP: How serious a threat is the Batken hostage
crisis to regional stability?
BR: The Batken crisis is acting as what scholars of
conflict prevention call an "accelerator" of crises in the
region, that is, it is speeding up escalation. It is provoking
in particular what scholars call "horizontal" escalation,
the expansion of conflict to new areas and new actors. The
Batken hostage crisis is linking more closely a variety of
conflicts in the region into a larger conflict. The main fighters
are Uzbek Islamists from Ferghana (in particular Namangan)
who fled when the government repressed their movement in 1992.
They have been training and fighting with groups in Afghanistan,
Tajikistan, and Pakistan, and there are said to be a few Tajiks,
Afghans, and even Arabs with them. They also may have picked
up new recruits among the refugees who fled to Tajikistan
from the latest round of repression in the Ferghana Valley.
Their best known leader, Tahir Yuldash (Tohirjon Yuldashev)
is in Afghanistan under the protection of the Taliban, and
some members of this movement are studying and being trained
in the same madrasas in Pakistan that gave birth to the Taliban.
The changes in the military and political situation in Afghanistan
and Tajikistan have pushed these fighters out of their bases,
and they appear to be trying to fight their way back to the
Uzbekistan part of the valley, across southern Kyrgyzstan,
to stage an uprising in the Ferghana Valley. (I don't think
such an uprising would succeed, because even though the population
is suffering from both impoverishment and repression, I don't
think they regard this group as their savior.) The result
is the expansion of military violence, with the Kyrgyzstan
army mobilizing and recruiting volunteers and Uzbekistan bombing
areas of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. To many Kyrgyz as well
the guerrillas appear as what they perceive as an "Uzbek threat"
that, ironically, includes both the Islamic radicals and the
Karimov regime. They fear being caught in the middle, and
I am sure this is increasing ethnic tensions in southern Kyrgyzstan.
Hence the crisis is connecting a network of conflict from
Pakistan through Afghanistan to the southern tier of Central
Asia, involving new actors, and raising the level of violence
and ethnic tension.
CEP: If "all prevention is political," are the
governments of the region demonstrating sufficient flexibility
in responding to social and economic tension, or is there
a danger that governmental rigidity, especially in Uzbekistan,
might foster a "self-fulfilling prophesy" of upheaval?
BR: Uzbekistan is in a very difficult and contradictory
position. On the one hand, any government in the world is
naturally going to respond with police or even military actions
against armed terrorists or insurgencies, and they have a
right to do so. But one must also ask why movements resort
to such means. Of course there are a lot of weapons in the
region, extremist movements, as well as the drug trade, weak
border controls, and so on, all of which increase what we
might call the potential "supply" of insurgency or terrorism,
but we should also think why there is a "demand." Undoubtedly
the reason that there is more organized violence rearing its
head against the state in Uzbekistan than in, say, Kyrgyzstan,
where people may be even poorer, is that there are no alternative
means of protest in Uzbekistan. The government of President
Karimov enjoyed enough good will from the people of Uzbekistan,
who did indeed appreciate a degree of stability, that it could
have survived and even strengthened itself by permitting legitimate
debate and opposition. Instead, the government became quite
repressive, with the result of radicalizing opposition in
this dangerous neighborhood. Uzbekistan needs a genuine open
debate about many issues, not the least of them being the
place of Islam in the country's social and political life.
It is now much more difficult to open up the political space
for more democracy in Uzbekistan, because of the atmosphere
of threat and fear that has resulted from terrorism and repression,
but such a process is the only way to prevent the growth of
violent movements.
CEP: What is the role of Islam in contemporary
societies in the Ferghana Valley? Is there such a thing as
Islamic fundamentalism in the Ferghana Valley?
BR: The Ferghana Valley, especially the Uzbek part,
has for centuries been one of the major centers of Islamic
learning and piety in Central Asia, and it also led the Islamic
resistance to Soviet power (along with the areas of southern
Tajikistan that also supported the Islamists in 1991-92).
Throughout the former Soviet Union, the lifting of former
strictures led to a revival of interest in cultural traditions
and values, including national, ethnic, and religious traditions.
Hence there is a revival of Islam in Central Asia as there
is a revival of Christianity in the Western parts of the former
USSR, as well as of Buddhism, Judaism, and so on. People are
suffering great instability not just in the political sense
but in their personal lives, and they are seeking beliefs
that will help guide them and their families and give meaning
to their struggles. At the same time, the USSR was very effective
in eradicating knowledge of Islam in Central Asia, and people
do not know much about it. They are hungry to reconnect with
their own traditions. This reconnection can mean many different
things. But especially when political authority appears ineffective,
corrupt, or illegitimate, people will seek alternatives. Some
may turn to religious belief and practice as an escape from
intolerable reality and try to make their society more moral
or upright in their view through preaching, example, or, at
times, pressure or even coercion, just like religious movements
in this country that consider the mainstream corrupt. Others
may seek new ways to organize their collective life. Some
political ideologies make use of an Islamic framework to propose
a different way to organize political authority. These ideologies
may not seem attractive to people living in Western democracies,
but the people of the Ferghana Valley are not living in prosperous
Western democracies, and to some of them such ideologies seem
to promise something better than what they have now. So there
is indeed a basis for the numerous phenomena labeled "Islamic
fundamentalism" -- religious revival, pressure for social
change, political radicalism -- in the Ferghana Valley. But
it is a complex and multi-dimensional phenomenon. It is not
synonymous with terrorism. Unfortunately repression of opposition
and suppression of free discussion and religious practice
does push some frustrated people toward terrorism, and in
this region it is not difficult to obtain the training and
equipment you need to carry it out.
CEP: What are the potential consequences of inaction
vis a vis the simmering tensions in the Ferghana Valley?
BR: There is no such thing as inaction. All the people
of the region are already acting in various ways, and the
international community and the US in particular are already
engaged in Central Asia and the Ferghana Valley, looking for
oil and gas, planning pipeline routes, pressuring governments
on their economic policies, trying to establish a security
structure, trying to cooperate with or displace Russia in
many fields including the military one, and so on. The question
is whether this action will remain guided by immediate interests
and reactions to immediate events or whether it will be farsighted
and proactive. I am afraid that the former is usually the
case, and it leads to ignoring problems until they are far
more difficult to handle. This is already the case with the
Ferghana Valley. How to act is a delicate question, mainly,
again, because of Uzbekistan. Uzbekistan does not welcome
outside attention to the area, except in the form of military
support for the government. But without the cooperation of
the Uzbek authorities not much can be done. So a very concentrated
and tactful but forceful diplomatic effort is needed to convince
Tashkent that the world is ready to help promote stability
and development in the region while respecting sovereignty,
but that in return they have to allow the people of the Ferghana
Valley more of a voice themselves in defining their future.
It would also help if there were more sustained international
attention to some of the regional factors that frighten the
governments in the region, and in particular the continuing
war in Afghanistan and the radicalization of the Taliban.
This is, of course, easier to post on a website than to accomplish.
I am afraid that the alternative is that the region from Central
Asia through Afghanistan and Pakistan will become a zone of
perpetual violence and conflict like the Great Lakes region
of Central Africa, with several ongoing wars that keep spreading
and that make development impossible. And in this region there
are also nuclear weapons and materials, unlike in Central
and East Africa. So the threat may seem obscure, but it is
very serious.
Mr. Rubin is the Director of the Center for Preventative
Action at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. He
is the co-author, along with Nancy Lubin, of an upcoming Preventative
Action Report entitled: "Calming the Ferghana Valley:
Development and Dialogue in the Heart of Central Asia."
The report, the fourth in a series published by CFR's Center
for Preventative Action, examines current trends in the Ferghana
Valley within the context of recent social, economic and political
developments. It also explores potential conflict scenarios
and offers recommendations for prevention. The report is being
co-published by The Century Foundation, formerly the Twentieth
Century Fund. Mr. Rubin also serves on the supervisory board
of the Central Eurasia Project of the Open Society Institute.
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